Posts by Vernon Williams

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Our debt to BRCI

by Vernon Williams in

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i have a buddy, tom cabeen, and i was talking ot him about the formation of brci.

tom was there at the beginning...... they started back in the early eighties.

today, the internet is our mode of connecting, however, it was letter, phone, and personal visits back then.

I was fortunate enough to attend the BRCI conference in Chicago in '03. It was so great: as I have said, many, many times: ex JWs are the coolest folks on the planet. They were/are so supportive, balanced, and empathetic.

Tom is a great man. He baptized me a Christian Jurly 23 of "03 when he and his son, Matt, where on a drive from the West to East Coast. That seems like twenty years ago. Tom is working on a new "bio" on his Journey...when he gets it finished I will post a copy, here.

Tom represents the love and kindness of the BRCI crew.

If anyone wants to look up the site do a search on "BRCI."

Confession, thank you for the reply.

V

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Our debt to BRCI

by Vernon Williams in

jw
friends

i have a buddy, tom cabeen, and i was talking ot him about the formation of brci.

tom was there at the beginning...... they started back in the early eighties.

today, the internet is our mode of connecting, however, it was letter, phone, and personal visits back then.

Vernon Williams

I have a buddy, Tom Cabeen, and I was talking ot him about the formation of BRCI. Tom was there at the beginning.....

They started back in the early eighties. Today, the internet is our mode of connecting, however, it was letter, phone, and personal visits back then. I can not imagine the effort needed, without internet, to contact and arrange an event so "underground" (that is the term Tom used) as an "apostate" meet up. The group formed and went on for twelve...fifteen years before starting a site. They have talked to thousands since BRCI formed.

We all, here, and across the globe, that oppose the lies, half truths, rewrites, and mind control of the WT owe a huge, huge debt to BRCI. The folks who formed this little group are, truely, trailblazers in regard to forming a bridge across the chasm of doubt and anxiety in leaving the WT. They and others are ministering to a diverse, uncertain, and emotionally charged crowd. BRCI and Beacon Light and, later, Freeminds were my foundatin stones five years ago.

Imagine, though, BEFORE that, when the resources were not there. We need to form a "museum" of sorts to memorilize these heros. A "wall" where thier names are inscribed....something....

With appreciation to them and all of you,

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Update on my letter to the Watchtower...

by deaconbluez in

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so it's been a month since my detailed letter was sent to the watchtower service department.

i sent the letter through dhl delivery, so that it could be tracked.

as of today, they still deny recieving the letter.

Vernon Williams

Have you posted the letter on the board?

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Refute anti-gay Bible verses

by cloudblue in

anyone done some research to refute the handful of anti-gay verses in the bible?

i've done a bit of research on the net.

i don't have the links handy, but most of them centered around the assertion that the original words in those passages were mis-translated.

Vernon Williams

Those that hold Jesus of Nazereth as a special person have, always, held human sexuality to be confined within the bond of husband and wife. This position has been the same for two thousand years. The ability to comply with this attitude is dependent upon our personal relationship with the Father through a personal relationship with the Son and acknowledges the place of the Holy Spirit in the internal change that occurs post-relationship.

Homosexuality is just one of a myriad of sexual practices that is non-comforming to the position of the historic community of Christians.

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CHECK RECEIVED FROM TREVOR!!!!!

by mouthy in

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well it arrived today... 50.poundi sent him$ 50----he only got 23.80 i think if i remember rightly.. i received back in the exchange $56.37 so i was better off.. he did write a letter with it.

but he just mentioned how your all out to "get" him..... just thought i would let you all know he did come across!!!!!!.

mouthy.

Vernon Williams

Perhaps a bit of "honor amoung thieves," eh?

He stole a lot...

I hope he heals......

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Sit down

by John Doe in

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beside me on the cool dirt.

grab a drink, relax and tell me why there's so much suffering--did the world always hurt?

we're not prophets, nah, lord knows we ain't prophets, but happenstance you don't have to be a prophet to see the strain and tears drifting down the river with the eddies ebbing and flowing with a pulse flickering through the blood red snow covered banks.

Vernon Williams

John,

I think you need to team with Eclispe: let her put your words in the format she uses and you might have the beginning of an epic poem.

If she can handle the strain....

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What can we learn from the recent upheavals on the board

by Lady Lee in

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i had this this in my head and even had it typed out but didn't post it but i see some still need to talk about the trevor saga on the board.. i was reading some of the initial threads where many people posted how they felt about what trevor had done.

people used the words; anger, shock, disbelief, hurt, sickened, duped, suckered, creeped out, confused, stupid, and betrayed.. given the situation those are all perfectly normal responses.

it isn't easy when we find out we have been lied to.

Vernon Williams

Lady,

Good post: excellent observation and commentary.

One scam does not demean the members of the board: it highlights thier openess and responsiveness and, well....love....

This board represents the coolest bunch of people I have ever met.

One person told me, when I was telling her about "apostates:" "It looks like the WT looses the best."

She is right, you know.....

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Have you changed your mind about ABORTION?

by nicolaou in

i'm not after a discussion on the rights or wrongs on abortion, what i'm asking is whether or not your views have evolved over time.. perhaps leaving the watchtower was enough to allow your true feelings on abortion to find expression.

maybe abortion is one of those subjects where you still find yourself in agreement with your old jw self.

did becoming a mother change your perspective in any way or solidify your views?.

Vernon Williams

Journey,

After studying the problem with "meth orphans" in MO and seeing the disaster of "foster care" I am VERY MUCH for orphanages.

Have you investigated the story of Hershey (the chocholate guy)?

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Have you changed your mind about ABORTION?

by nicolaou in

i'm not after a discussion on the rights or wrongs on abortion, what i'm asking is whether or not your views have evolved over time.. perhaps leaving the watchtower was enough to allow your true feelings on abortion to find expression.

maybe abortion is one of those subjects where you still find yourself in agreement with your old jw self.

did becoming a mother change your perspective in any way or solidify your views?.